It won’t. After some IOS updates, it will stop working sooner or later. Not in App Store = no support and update. Lost some lovely paid games this way.
Wow, very disturbing!
Nothing unexpected.
John Mills do you still think that this is part of Forger great development and its transformation into Nomad threat?
@Genko3D In terms of speaking on Maxon’s success - I’d say so. They now have two apps, one subscription based and it can now link directly into Cinema4D. Maxon have clearly defined a path they’re headed down. Whether it leaves new consumers pleased who knows? Forger will always remain a competitive threat to Nomad irregardless. They’re adopting a different path than I thought they might take, but Forger clearly isn’t going away anytime soon or just going to disappear into the ether. They’ve got a capitol F now, that’s a great start. 
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Well they definitely lost one user here. I have both programs, but I’m leaving Forger now that they will only be updating the subscription only version.
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Ditto. Forger just isn’t good enough to require a sub, when it was only 8.99 one off it was comparable - can see this working out lovely for C4D users already wrapped up in their services or learning the software, but it’ll alienate those who aren’t. I suspect Maxon have a large enough consumer base they’re trying to port over which explains this approach. Millions of consumers paying each month, one user is just an infinite cash cow.
Do you think so? I wouldn‘t see them in millions, but I don‘t have a clue. I am disappointed as Maxxon still sells a perpetual version of C4D. Paid updates are a problem on IOS, I guess.
If people have a choice between Nomad & Forger …….
Well UV Painting could be an option still missing. But the level of Forgers options……I would be surprised if this is a big task for Stephane to beat.
Cinema4D user base, I can see that in the millions worldwide realistically - maybe not double digits, but 2-3? Sure. It sits in the top tier of commercial 3D suits alongside Max and Maya, and corporations use it - even Apple. Maxon by the looks of it, are now just catering really for their users and their software - basically it’s join their crew or not at all. No-one realistically is going to pay sub for Forger unless they’re using Maxon’s services when Nomad is one-off. This also what makes me think they have large enough user base, they’re not going after new consumers attractively. The fact they made this move is bold, dropping a cheap one off payment for being roped into their financial ecosystem perpetually. Either a gutsy person made that decision or an idiot; or a bit of both.
Haha… You’re soo funny 
Ahh, Evegeni - better that when we just get along, right? 
One app, Forger Classic being removed from the store.
In my opinion you are way off target.
600M€ for the parent company, Maxon/red shift is 10% of that (Media and entertainment).
Divide by average annual price of the soft and you are more or less at 100k users.
I do exclude piracy though.
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I am reaching on quite high figures including people still using it on older hardware/desktops and piracy in a lot of countries - especially lesser developed nations, which, obviously doesn’t contribute to their profits. But yes, can see what I pegged at a higher figure than what they probably have actively at any one point. Over the course of their history though and people returning to the software, etc. probably closer to the figure
Looks like Forger might get a boost of Zfeatures
Am I reading this correct that Maxon will be buying Pixologic Zbrush. If so this means Zbrush will probably go subscription based. 
No more free updates but maybe they’ll redesign the UI 
I have no problem paying for big major updates. I’ve only paid once for Zbrush and have been very lucky that they haven’t charged for the big changes they implemented over the years. I’m just not keen on the Autodesk buy competition up and then convert to subscription style payment. Just like with Forger they said they would support it but renamed it and have pulled all support from the original Forger at the same time weaning users onto the subscription version.
But yes the Zbrush UI was and is a nightmare. I have been using Zbrush hardly at all recently because of Nomad.
Maxon do subscription but they also do perpetual licenses too, it will be interesting to see where they take it, decent uving would be a nice addition, would also be interesting to see if they add in some redshift rendering feature… we shall see
Whatever happens, there are going to be a lot of pissed off people in the forums, I remember when Adobe bought Substance and their forum descended into a virtual lynch mob
Not without reason. Adobe is very intelligent in making apps dumb. Or just kill it like Mixamo Fuse , Freehand, Flash……
and Maxon? That is third soft they acquired which I have. Trapcode Suite, Forger, zBrush. Forger will be dead soon with next IOS update.
Trapcode - I don’t know. Money is short in pandemic times. Won’t go subscription as long as possible.
Good bye zBrush.
I can’t imagine this will end up nicely.
And one should have known that the moment Joseph Drust disappeared 
He was always the good soul …
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If the day comes when Stephane has had enough of us lot demanding new features and UI changes and decides to take early retirement by selling up I hope he approaches Serif first…
Affinity Sculpt would be a nice addition to their suite of apps and they openly reject the subscription model
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Nomad is proud to announce its acquisition by NFT company BitScam, etc
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