# Nomad Sculpt - Instances / Groups & mirror symmetry (V1.66 -20.10.2022) **URL:** \ **Category:** Tips, Tutorials and Help\ **Created:** [October 20, 2022, 6:02pm UTC](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/t/nomad-sculpt-instances-groups-mirror-symmetry-v1-66-20-10-2022/8600 "2022-10-20T18:02:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Holger\_Schoenischka](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forum.nomadsculpt.com/holger_schoenischka/32/3934_2.png) [@Holger\_Schoenischka](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/u/Holger_Schoenischka)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 6:02pm UTC](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/t/nomad-sculpt-instances-groups-mirror-symmetry-v1-66-20-10-2022/8600/1 "2022-10-20T18:02:13Z")
A small tutorial on how to mirror an instance or a group. FORGOTTEN IN THE VIDEO: If you want to move BOTH objects symmetrically, you have to set the GIZMO TARGET to VERTEX ! [![](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/uploads/nomadsculpt/original/2X/c/c8c9f7aa48c1f6844692688f8ba02eae534fe34a.jpeg "Nomad Sculpt - Instances / Groups & mirror symmetry (V1.66 -20.10.2022)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBVlb4H4sFo) ---
**Author:** ![Josepmy](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forum.nomadsculpt.com/josepmy/32/6428_2.png) [@Josepmy](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/u/Josepmy)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 7:50pm UTC](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/t/nomad-sculpt-instances-groups-mirror-symmetry-v1-66-20-10-2022/8600/2 "2022-10-24T19:50:15Z")
Hello, Following your tutorial I can’t mirror the group. I’m doing something wrong but I don’t know what. Attach screen capture, the instance is moved in weird place 😅 What I missed? ![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/uploads/nomadsculpt/original/2X/1/1ecc019e0307f0510a8731c1914cdbd7ff8893f5.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Holger\_Schoenischka](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forum.nomadsculpt.com/holger_schoenischka/32/3934_2.png) [@Holger\_Schoenischka](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/u/Holger_Schoenischka)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 7:59pm UTC](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/t/nomad-sculpt-instances-groups-mirror-symmetry-v1-66-20-10-2022/8600/3 "2022-10-24T19:59:42Z")
Try uniform scale - off. With transform then on +0.7 ---
**Author:** ![stephomi](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forum.nomadsculpt.com/stephomi/32/19583_2.png) [@stephomi](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/u/stephomi)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 8:00pm UTC](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/t/nomad-sculpt-instances-groups-mirror-symmetry-v1-66-20-10-2022/8600/4 "2022-10-24T20:00:43Z")
It’s probably to simply add a mirror repeater and validate it afterwards rather than scaling by hand. (don’t know what you did but you probably need to turn off uniform scale before scaling x -1) ---
**Author:** ![Josepmy](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forum.nomadsculpt.com/josepmy/32/6428_2.png) [@Josepmy](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/u/Josepmy)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 8:04pm UTC](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/t/nomad-sculpt-instances-groups-mirror-symmetry-v1-66-20-10-2022/8600/5 "2022-10-24T20:04:34Z")
Don’t work, seems that only mirrors the first element of the group ---
**Author:** ![Holger\_Schoenischka](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forum.nomadsculpt.com/holger_schoenischka/32/3934_2.png) [@Holger\_Schoenischka](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/u/Holger_Schoenischka)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 8:04pm UTC](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/t/nomad-sculpt-instances-groups-mirror-symmetry-v1-66-20-10-2022/8600/6 "2022-10-24T20:04:39Z")
If you mirror repeat and validate, then they are no longer instances - so you can’t symmetrically sculpt in a pose on both meshes left / right at the same time in different orientations. ---
**Author:** ![Holger\_Schoenischka](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forum.nomadsculpt.com/holger_schoenischka/32/3934_2.png) [@Holger\_Schoenischka](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/u/Holger_Schoenischka)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 8:06pm UTC](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/t/nomad-sculpt-instances-groups-mirror-symmetry-v1-66-20-10-2022/8600/7 "2022-10-24T20:06:48Z")
Did you really select the whole group including all objects? ---
**Author:** ![Josepmy](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forum.nomadsculpt.com/josepmy/32/6428_2.png) [@Josepmy](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/u/Josepmy)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 8:09pm UTC](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/t/nomad-sculpt-instances-groups-mirror-symmetry-v1-66-20-10-2022/8600/8 "2022-10-24T20:09:10Z")
I followed the tutorial of @Holger_Schoenischka instancing a group and mirroring it. But adding the repeater doesn’t have the mirror when I modify one of the elements, the goal is to maintain the mirror amb pose the elements individually 😀 ---
**Author:** ![Josepmy](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forum.nomadsculpt.com/josepmy/32/6428_2.png) [@Josepmy](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/u/Josepmy)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 8:12pm UTC](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/t/nomad-sculpt-instances-groups-mirror-symmetry-v1-66-20-10-2022/8600/9 "2022-10-24T20:12:11Z")
Yes, attach screen capture. The whole arm is displaced in wrong place seems. ![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/uploads/nomadsculpt/original/2X/a/a7d305430f15c433051e59d3e898a01a95cb42b4.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Holger\_Schoenischka](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forum.nomadsculpt.com/holger_schoenischka/32/3934_2.png) [@Holger\_Schoenischka](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/u/Holger_Schoenischka)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 8:18pm UTC](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/t/nomad-sculpt-instances-groups-mirror-symmetry-v1-66-20-10-2022/8600/10 "2022-10-24T20:18:05Z")
You are getting closer ! Try it in a new scene with less and simpler objects… ---
**Author:** ![stephomi](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forum.nomadsculpt.com/stephomi/32/19583_2.png) [@stephomi](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/u/stephomi)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 9:12pm UTC](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/t/nomad-sculpt-instances-groups-mirror-symmetry-v1-66-20-10-2022/8600/11 "2022-10-24T21:12:39Z")
> [@Holger\_Schoenischka](#): > > If you mirror repeat and validate, then they are no longer instances If you validate a repeat node, it makes instances. ---
**Author:** ![Josepmy](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forum.nomadsculpt.com/josepmy/32/6428_2.png) [@Josepmy](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/u/Josepmy)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 9:19pm UTC](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/t/nomad-sculpt-instances-groups-mirror-symmetry-v1-66-20-10-2022/8600/12 "2022-10-24T21:19:10Z")
Yes, but I can’t pose individually the elements, separating the group I can pose but the mirror is lost, isn’t? ---
**Author:** ![Holger\_Schoenischka](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forum.nomadsculpt.com/holger_schoenischka/32/3934_2.png) [@Holger\_Schoenischka](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/u/Holger_Schoenischka)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 2:09am UTC](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/t/nomad-sculpt-instances-groups-mirror-symmetry-v1-66-20-10-2022/8600/13 "2022-10-25T02:09:56Z")
This is NEW in 1.67 it still worked completely different, when validating the repeater nodes the objects have been converted to normal objects and the polycount has increased. I explained this 2-3 days ago in a video … 😉. This is better, but I have not heard anything about this change. This changes some things completely again. Now you can mirror with mirror repeater and split the groups again with validate - that didn’t work before. I am happy 😀 but I can delete my videos… ![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/uploads/nomadsculpt/original/2X/f/fc1522ef58320a5d75d02f57aff2e356d2e2b0ed.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Holger\_Schoenischka](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forum.nomadsculpt.com/holger_schoenischka/32/3934_2.png) [@Holger\_Schoenischka](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/u/Holger_Schoenischka)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 2:23am UTC](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/t/nomad-sculpt-instances-groups-mirror-symmetry-v1-66-20-10-2022/8600/14 "2022-10-25T02:23:17Z")
My tutorial is now out of date - now just use the mirror node for the group and validate it. The individual groups / instances are now preserved and the symmstimmt, the polycount is also not increased… ---
**Author:** ![stephomi](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forum.nomadsculpt.com/stephomi/32/19583_2.png) [@stephomi](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/u/stephomi)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 3:20am UTC](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/t/nomad-sculpt-instances-groups-mirror-symmetry-v1-66-20-10-2022/8600/15 "2022-10-25T03:20:30Z")
> [@Holger\_Schoenischka](#): > > This is NEW in 1.67 it still worked completely different, when validating the repeater nodes the objects have been converted to normal objects and the polycount has increased. Hmm, weird because I don’t recall having changed anything in that regard. Maybe `join children` was activated. ---
**Author:** ![Holger\_Schoenischka](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forum.nomadsculpt.com/holger_schoenischka/32/3934_2.png) [@Holger\_Schoenischka](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/u/Holger_Schoenischka)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 3:38am UTC](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/t/nomad-sculpt-instances-groups-mirror-symmetry-v1-66-20-10-2022/8600/16 "2022-10-25T03:38:27Z")
Was in 1.67 join children by default ON ? I just tried it, in 1.68 this setting is OFF - and in 1.67 it was ON. Small hook, big different effect ! ---
**Author:** ![stephomi](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forum.nomadsculpt.com/stephomi/32/19583_2.png) [@stephomi](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/u/stephomi)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 6:53am UTC](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/t/nomad-sculpt-instances-groups-mirror-symmetry-v1-66-20-10-2022/8600/17 "2022-10-25T06:53:30Z")
It was even in the 1.66 release yes. The default value is ON. ---
**Author:** ![Josepmy](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forum.nomadsculpt.com/josepmy/32/6428_2.png) [@Josepmy](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/u/Josepmy)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 7:12am UTC](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/t/nomad-sculpt-instances-groups-mirror-symmetry-v1-66-20-10-2022/8600/18 "2022-10-25T07:12:56Z")
Following your video I can’t reproduce the result, first when validate I can’t get 2 groups, all is in the same group, looking the join children option I’m not be capable of found it 🤨 ---
**Author:** ![Josepmy](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forum.nomadsculpt.com/josepmy/32/6428_2.png) [@Josepmy](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/u/Josepmy)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 3:12pm UTC](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/t/nomad-sculpt-instances-groups-mirror-symmetry-v1-66-20-10-2022/8600/19 "2022-10-25T15:12:48Z")
@Holger_Schoenischka @stephomi in front of my face the “children option”, sorry if was a silly question but I was a bit confused to see how it was done, I swear I repeat the validation several times and I don’t saw the option 🫤 ---
**Author:** ![Holger\_Schoenischka](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forum.nomadsculpt.com/holger_schoenischka/32/3934_2.png) [@Holger\_Schoenischka](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/u/Holger_Schoenischka)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 3:48pm UTC](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/t/nomad-sculpt-instances-groups-mirror-symmetry-v1-66-20-10-2022/8600/20 "2022-10-25T15:48:37Z")
I also totally skipped this option - because I NEVER pressed validate again, because when I validated I thought of NORMAL VALIDATE - so the loss of the instances. [Next page](https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/t/nomad-sculpt-instances-groups-mirror-symmetry-v1-66-20-10-2022/8600.md?page=2)